NinjaTrader + Rithmic = Not updating positions

[Finley]

I appreciate the efforts of the trading community to try and solve this issue!!

I currently use Apex Trade Copier for 8 Rithmic (APEX) and 4 Tradeovate (TPT, MFF) prop accounts. As others have discussed, there are frequent issues with completed trades showing as open in NT but closed in Rithmic.Any effort to close the position in NT triggers a naked position with Rithmic in the opposite direction. Tradeovate rarely seems to have an issue.

Now some anecdotal evidence. Following several traders on YouTube who use Rithmic with other platforms such as Sierra Charts or Quanttower, they use their built-in trade copier and rarely, if ever, have issues with Rithmic. So, does this help narrow down the potential issue, perhaps?

[backtester831]

I appreciate the efforts of the trading community to try and solve this issue!!

I currently use Apex Trade Copier for 8 Rithmic (APEX) and 4 Tradeovate (TPT, MFF) prop accounts. As others have discussed, there are frequent issues with completed trades showing as open in NT but closed in Rithmic.Any effort to close the position in NT triggers a naked position with Rithmic in the opposite direction. Tradeovate rarely seems to have an issue.

Now some anecdotal evidence. Following several traders on YouTube who use Rithmic with other platforms such as Sierra Charts or Quanttower, they use their built-in trade copier and rarely, if ever, have issues with Rithmic. So, does this help narrow down the potential issue, perhaps?

Everyones running it on ninjamobiletrader VPS because it fixes the issues with Apex Rithmic trades

[Finley]

Everyones running it on ninjamobiletrader VPS because it fixes the issues with Apex Rithmic trades

Thanks Backtester831 for the suggestion.Will definitely check out the NT VPS. However, many of us have paid good money for the NT desktop software, and since many other platforms integrate seamlessly with Rithmic, adding a VPS cost should be seen as a short-term solution rather than a permanent fix.

[backtester831]

Thanks Backtester831 for the suggestion.Will definitely check out the NT VPS. However, many of us have paid good money for the NT desktop software, and since many other platforms integrate seamlessly with Rithmic, adding a VPS cost should be seen as a short-term solution rather than a permanent fix.

For me personally ninjamobiletrader VPS is permanent because it more than pays for itself everyday through the savings on better orders fills with no slippage trade copying to 20 Apex Rithmic accounts, and Tradovate accounts from some other prop firms.

[Trebuchet]

"Everyones running it on ninjamobiletrader VPS because it fixes the issues with Apex Rithmic trades" I run ninjatradermobile VPS and rithmic accounts and I still have problem with trades not clearing out on Ninjatrader 8 but they clear on Rithmic. I have to shutdown my connnection and reopen ninja connection before trades clear.

[backtester831]

"Everyones running it on ninjamobiletrader VPS because it fixes the issues with Apex Rithmic trades" I run ninjatradermobile VPS and rithmic accounts and I still have problem with trades not clearing out on Ninjatrader 8 but they clear on Rithmic. I have to shutdown my connnection and reopen ninja connection before trades clear.

Have you asked the vps support about it? They are by far the most knowledgeable and helpful with Apex Rithmic and can fix it for you because they help me with unrelated things all the time like other vendors addons, ninjascript, trade copying, etc.. Their support alone has been invaluable to me

[Trebuchet]

Positions not closing in Ninjatrader when exiting a positions with trade copier and rithmic trader pro. After I exit a position with my trade copier it still shows I have an open position in some accounts on Ninjatrader 8. A separate account data window opened to positions shows those open trades but notice the Unrealized gains section of my main window doesn't show the gain. Also when I disconnect and reconnect my rithmic connection those trades go away. So when I get out of trades all trades are gone in rithmic trader pro and yet they are all closed according to my P&L in ninjatrader but It shows I have opened positions which I really do not have and until I disconnect and reconnect rithmic connection those fake open positions remain on ninjatrader.

[Rudmax]

NinjaTrader_ChelseaB could you kindly share the steps being taken to resolve this issue? This will allow all relevant parties to follow along and streamline the process, potentially reducing the number of tickets opened for NinjaTrader and for the vendors. That would be a great assistance to us.

[andreaspdx]

I don't use any trade copier or replikanto, but the same happened today to me. My order got closed by triggering the profit target. It did remove the OCO orders, but on the chart it still showed an open position, so I paniced and hit the close button. That opened a new trade and I had to hit the close button again. This is not the first time that this has happened. NinjaTrader_ChelseaB

[jabowery]

Everyones running it on ninjamobiletrader VPS because it fixes the issues with Apex Rithmic trades

Fixed the problem, thank you!

[defa0009]

I use the NinjaTrader Trade Copier from Lumens Trading Systems and don't have any issues like this. It copies trades from NinjaTrader to NinjaTrader and a few other platforms.

Here's a video of it: https://youtu.be/0aZb8mq8puU

[Rudmax]

I use the NinjaTrader Trade Copier from Lumens Trading Systems and don't have any issues like this. It copies trades from NinjaTrader to NinjaTrader and a few other platforms.

Are you using APEX Rithmic accounts to copy trades between them? If so, this problem will appear at some point, otherwise you won't have any problems.

[defa0009]

Are you using APEX Rithmic accounts to copy trades between them? If so, this problem will appear at some point, otherwise you won't have any problems.

No not using APEX Rithmic accounts... too many issues from what I read.

[backtester831]

No not using APEX Rithmic accounts... too many issues from what I read.

They did have some growing pains because of being the largest prop firm, but since their upgrades I haven't had any issues with ghost trades, and they also credited back the problems from last time.

[QuantVPS]

Thanks for the perspective on the VPS! I am in California and sometimes connecting to Apex/Rithmic can take up to 30 seconds! If running off a VPS saves from all kinds of slippage it does sound worth it! Sometimes slippage between copied accounts can be $100+ for me.

Yep! When you rent a VPS from us, it nearly pays for itself in slippage!

30 seconds? More like a few milliseconds...

We have tons of users in California who use our servers in Chicago to eliminate this exact problem you are having.