NT7 update

[JS999]

Historically, we have always released public beta in waves. We may do this again we may not, I have not made that decision yet. I understand where you are coming from however it is not accurate to say that the more people testing the faster we will uncover issues. Quite the opposite. The more people testing, the more effort goes into reviewing each and every reported incident and we can quickly get overwhelmed and make no progress. We can have anywhere up to 16,000 active users using our software a day. If even a small portion of this base decided to test out NT7 and start reporting issues we could easily get overwhelmed.

In any case, if I decide a wave rollout is warranted, I am happy to include you in the 1st wave.

Alright, I guess that's good enough... either way I am waiting to see what you guys have coded up!

[ryker]

Ray,
What would be the criteria to be included in the first beta wave then? I'd like to be included in it if possible.
I have been using NT for almost 2 years (have live strategies running now), have a good programming knowledge, a deep understanding of the advanced order management (using IOrder and IExecution for scale in/out, etc...) and would really like to try my code on the new unmanaged order submission.

Thanks!

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Ray,
What would be the criteria to be included in the first beta wave then? I'd like to be included in it if possible.
I have been using NT for almost 2 years (have live strategies running now), have a good programming knowledge, a deep understanding of the advanced order management (using IOrder and IExecution for scale in/out, etc...) and would really like to try my code on the new unmanaged order submission.

Thanks!

Thanks for volunteering...If we decide to roll it out in waves, then the criteria will be 1st come 1st serve approach, that's what we have always done in the past. At this time, there will be limited amounts of documentation on the new NS stuff, this will be WIP over the next few months during beta. The unmanaged stuff is real simple so we likely would include a few comments on this.

[Radical]

Please count me in for the 1st wave of beta as well. But know that I don't use Ninja Script and don't know anything about programming, so if you think my spot would be better used by someone who is a programmer, then I'll pass on the first part of the beta so someone more qualified can test it.

[DangerBoy]

Having worked in the software industry myself as a coder/designer/analyst/project manager for many years I have to 100% agree with MarketMasher, releasing a first beta to everyone does not speed up issue resolution as it creates a deluge of non issues being reported by a mass of inexperienced users that are not able to file a proper case report with examples logs and traces etc.

I don't think this board is the place for people to come and vent there trading frustrations, there were calls for an update list and Ray has given us this, he has outlined a rough schedule for release of beta and we've been told it's on track albeit any unforeseen issues, this is end of September. There are some other trading platform support boards where one doesn't even get a reply to a standard support question for a week.

Regards the list itself being refferred to as a dry list of updates, I think this is totally unfair on the Ninja Team, in my opinion NT7 with the new features listed will be a quantum leap forward and will put it at the front of the pack again. I for one feel that we have waited this long, we can wait a little bit longer to ensure this rollout is a success, as we all have a vested interest in NT, the last thing that anyone wants is for a bunch of inexperienced users to start generating bad press that the new NT7 is unstable and give a bad rep to the product before it has even reached the final release version. This seems quite possible given some of the comments, I wonder if some even understand what the point of a beta release is.

I think it would be wise to be planning for a Jan 2010 in your trading plans for an actual final release, if we get there sooner then that is a bonus. If it comes to that date and there is not significant progress then perhaps other options should be looked at. For the time being I think it would be good to have less of the mouthing off and let the guys do what they need to do.

Just my 2 cents.

[hemlock]

Ray,

I would also like to be included in the first wave of the beta.

Thank you,
Ken

[Shansen]

DangerBoy,

A solid post (09-19-2009, 07:14 PM).
I concur with your sentiments. Well spoken.


Shannon

[paulchow2k]

DangerBoy,
A solid post (09-19-2009, 07:14 PM).
I concur with your sentiments. Well spoken.
Shannon

I second that. In the mean time, I've been sharpening my trading skills which is what trading is all about. The tool is certainly one of the traders arson but not the only one. Skill I think is more important.

What's the use of having a great tool but still can't trade. That's a waste of one's time.

Paul

[richa61416]

Hello, With 8 more days remaining to the end of the month, I am just checking to see if we are on schedule. I know end of Month is not a hard date, but really want to start testing out Ninja V7. Tick and Range testing take too long with 6.5. Would I be lucky enough to have a beta version for next weekend? or Mid October? How are you doing on a first beta release plan for us users.

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Hello, With 8 more days remaining to the end of the month, I am just checking to see if we are on schedule. I know end of Month is not a hard date, but really want to start testing out Ninja V7. Tick and Range testing take too long with 6.5. Would I be lucky enough to have a beta version for next weekend? or Mid October? How are you doing on a first beta release plan for us users.

I will provide an update this coming weekend.

[richa61416]

I will provide an update this coming weekend.

OK. Will be looking forward to the update. Hoping for a favourable response(Like a link to try it out hahaha).

[trader1512]

im happy to hear theres a software develper out there supporting this farce. this update will be what, a year behind. in the meantime, we have no idea if anything we have developed over this span of time will be usable. we have spent going on four quarterly fees which could have been a lifetime license.

as a program manager if i were to produce these kind of results for my clients, in this case that is us to NT, i would have been fired.

if they knew what they were doing then they would have scaled this to what was deliverable and not gotten into something that seems beyond thier capabilities.

what kind of confidence can we have that what ever they deliver is going to be of value and not a problem for our daily trading.

yes, trading goes beyond the tools. unfortunately, NT is a significant tool set in our trading. now that the summer is over it would be nice to be actively trading knowing that stability exists in our tools.

Do you really have the confidence that once this is released its not going to affect you on a daily basis.

[Eastbank]

I completely agree with Dangerboy. I am trading live with the current version and it is working fine for me. Whenever I have had a question for support I have had an answer back within 24hrs, which is excellent.

Of course I am looking forward to NT7, but fussing about this issue seems to me to be unrealistic and immature. When NT7 comes out I will be using it to trade my hard earned money. I want the boys (and girls) at Ninja to take their time and make sure it is tested properly before releasing it.

So please, stop fussing about NT7 and get on trading with the current version. Fantasizing and complaining about NT7 seems to me to display the same character as fantasizing about that great winning trade in the future or complaining about your losses and blaming them on everything else except yourself. If you focus on your trading and forget about NT7 it will come along soon enough, and you will have made money in the meantime.

[JS999]

I completely agree with Dangerboy. I am trading live with the current version and it is working fine for me. Whenever I have had a question for support I have had an answer back within 24hrs, which is excellent.

That's nice, but it's NOT working fine for me, and for a lot of other people. I am forced to run 3 extra copies of this thing in virtual machines because the performance is so bad with multiple charts open, and it doesn't take advantage of multiple core CPUs. There are also issues with stability and occasional crashes. I have had to reformat my PC and tried installing different OSes about 4 times because of this thing. NT 6.5 has cost me probably 300 hours of my time due to all of the issues that I have had to work around because it is so poorly constructed. So no, it is NOT "fine". Good for you that you haven't had problems... maybe you're not scalping a heavy volume volatile instrument like CL, and maybe you don't have a lot of charts open, so you don't notice these problems. There are a hell of a lot of improvements that I am waiting for, and the most important is stability and performance. Even getting a piece of Beta software to run in my VMs instead of NT 6.5 is going to help me significantly if the performance is better... that's why people are so impatient. If NT 6.5 actually worked right, I wouldn't be having these issues and I couldn't care less when their beta was released... but that is NOT the case.

[darthtrader]

Personally, I'm sick of all the cry babies on this board.
No one is a medieval serf here tied to the land.. If things are so bad then go find another solution. The reality is though you probly are not able to find another solution and that is why some clearly angry people are still around but the constant *****ing is not going to help the matter.
You are perfectly free, especially if your in the software business to hire some people to write you your own custom software and be done with all this.
Then you can have some programmers at your whim 24/7...you won't have to pull your hair out over a beta release date...the software will do whatever you want it to do.
If you don't want to pony up the expense for such a project then too bad, your in the same boat as everyone else here.