[SubmitOrderUnmanaged] Strategy.Orders and Account.Orders don't show pending orders

[ntdev]

Is this a known and desired behavior of NT?

Strategy.Orders and Account.Orders don't show pending orders with SubmitOrderUnmanaged()

REPRO: Create and submit an unmanaged order with SubmitOrderUnmanaged() - tested using Strategy Analyzer / backtest.

NOTE: I get callbacks for OnOrderUpdate

EXPECTED: Strategy.Orders and Account.Orders should include this pending order

ACTUAL: both of these lists are empty

NOTE#2: I was sure that I remember debugging into this list and seeing it populated at some point.

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Edit: more observations

Strategy.Account.Positions is empty but Strategy.Positions is not, along with Strategy.PositionsAccount which is also as expected.

[NinjaTrader_Jesse]

Hello ntdev,

The Strategy.Orders and strategy based Account property.Orders collections are not documented for strategy use so I couldn't say if that should or should not contain the orders in that state in this use case.

In general working with the order collections or account when using a strategy is not the correct approach, you should be instead using the order events from OnOrderUpdate to track relevant orders through their states. You could also use the relevant strategy properties that you mentioned like Position etc. It sounds like you are seeing the correct OnOrderUpdate and other properties so it sounds like the script is working as expected.

If you need to work directly with the account or its collections I would suggest looking into using an Indicator and avoiding strategies all together. An indicator using the addon framework could observe an account and its collections directly.

Please let me know if I may be of further assistance.

[ntdev]

Thanks Jesse. Yes, that's what I did -- I save the information myself during OnOrderUpdate and OnExecutionUpdate.

It just seems that this "Orders" object should contain the orders or why have it if it does nothing and can't be used?

But I understand now that it's undocumented -- thanks for clarifying that.

[NinjaTrader_Jesse]

Hello ntdev,

That collection likely has some internal use, strategies can be used in a variety of locations and the fact that its not documented likely leads to some internal use case which is not necessarily helpful for a realtime strategy.

You should be able to use the approach in the following link to find an account (not using the strategies existing Account property) and from the found account you could access all of the accounts orders.

https://ninjatrader.com/support/helpGuides/nt8/account_class.htm

The orders should exist there because that collection is intended to be accessed directly, generally from indicators/addons. Because a strategy has overrides which filter for its specific orders that would be the suggestion to use the overrides and track the strategies individual orders excluding the other account info.

I look forward to being of further assistance.