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[Pa3ck08]

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[NinjaTrader_ChelseaB]

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[badbess]

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[NinjaTrader_ChelseaB]

Hello badbess,

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[Lemmy2507]

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[NinjaTrader_ChelseaB]

Hello Lemmy2507,

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[ScalpRule]

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[NinjaTrader_ChelseaB]

Hello ScalpRule,

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[oceanonline]

Please add my vote to SFT-4923.

[Leeroy_Jenkins]

users who bought their license
long ago have this privilege, and he wants to know why this kind of
dual access can't be made available to newer folks.

Think of all the money NT mgmt is letting go down the drain because
they don't want people to log into multiple Rithmic accounts from the
same instance of NT.

It's frustrating that I can't connect to 2 Rithmic accounts using same instance of NT8 but I can do that if I use 2 separate PCs (VPS or just virtual machine).
My old liferime license is enough for that. And because of that I consider buying PC with good specs so I can run multiple NT/Rithmic on separate virtual machines using Virtual Box.
I don't trust VPS services.
I would glad to pay $$$ for every additional Rithmic connection so I can do that in same NT instance, that would be cheaper I guess, but NT folks don't even consider that.
Another inconvenience from NT

[NinjaTrader_ChelseaB]

Hello oceanonline,

Welcome to the NinjaTrader forums!

Thank you for your vote.

I've added this to SFT-4923.


Leeroy_Jenkins,

The issue is with how the connection adapter was designed. Unfortunately, due to how the connection adapter works it is not able to maintain two connections.

[bltdavid]

The issue is with how the connection adapter was designed. Unfortunately, due to how the connection adapter works it is not able to maintain two connections.

Yes, of course.
A single adapter can only make a single connection.

Good grief. We know that. Redesigning the adapter logic to
handle multiple connections -- that's a separate issue -- and
probably a very non-trivial engineering endeavor. I get that.

But what about a more basic possibility?
What about two different adapters, co-existing together,
each having a different name, each making their own
unique and separate connection? This would clearly
circumvent the single connection limitation, right?

Let's elevate that very specific idea.
Let's talk about this 'two adapter' solution.

These two adapters need to be Rithmic-based, have
separate names, and be usable simultaneously to
connect to two different Rithmic-based prop firms.

Is this basic solution possible?
Could it work?

Yes!
In fact, this solution is possible today.

Here is the simple solution:
Turn on the old 'Rithmic' adapter!

Yep, it's that simple.
Enable the deprecated 'Rithmic' adapter.

This adapter is included in every NinjaTrader desktop!
The code is in there, right now, and it's working!

How do I know?
Because my Multi-Broker lifetime license shows two
adapters, each named differently -- 'Rithmic' and
'Rithmic for NinjaTrader Brokerage'.

Why is that?
Because my Multi-Broker lifetime license was purchased a long
time ago, before 2014, and is considered 'grandfathered' so that
I have access to and can use both adapters at the same time.

What does 'grandfathered' mean?
It means I can connect to two different Rithmic-based prop firms
at the exact same time using those two different adapters. The
term 'grandfathered' is used to describe an older M/B license that
is allowed to use the same snapshot of available adapters it had
available at the time of its purchase. I bought my M/B lifetime
license in Dec 2013, so my M/B license is 'grandfathered' for
that specific 'era', which includes both Rithmic-based adapters.

Why does 'grandfathering' even exist?
Because NinjaTrader intentionally turned off the 'Rithmic' adapter
after buying Mirus in mid-2014 and starting their own brokerage.
They left it enabled for the older set of users with M/B licenses
(thus the term 'grandfathered' was born), but they purposefully
disabled the adapter named 'Rithmic' for everyone after the
cutoff date, er, I mean after the Mirus purchase date.

What is 'Mirus'?
See this Google search.

What was the business reason?
To encourage customers to move to the NT Brokerage. That
is, mgmt started to drop adapters left and right to reduce the
brokerage adapters available -- yep, they let agreements and
old partnerships expire, refused to renew some prior associations,
bought out competing brokerages, etc -- the point is, NT mgmt
purposefully reduced the number of adapters available for
newer M/B licensees in order to promote their own branded
brokerage. After 2014, NT mgmt no longer pursued a broker
agnostic worldview for their product, they became biased
towards their own NinjaTrader Brokerage. They pushed their
NinjaTrader Brokerage at the expense of competitors -- which
is actually fine, somewhat understandable, but completely legal.

It's all in the name of business, etc. Again, regrettable, but it
is quite understandable. The brokerage business seems cut
throat -- brokerages have few moats to entice customers to
stay. NinjaTrader mgmt, like all business mgrs, must focus
on the growth and survival of their business.

Nevertheless, these business decisions meant new M/B
licenses were slowly and silently getting a bit screwed.

New users with an M/B license purchased after mid-2014
are denied access to the larger snapshot of adapters that
are 'grandfathered' but yet still deprecated.

My points are these:
Deprecating the 'Rithmic' adapter was shortsighted.
'Rithmic' could be resurrected in a heartbeat.
'Rithmic' is already inside the NinjaTrader desktop product.
Everyone has 'Rithmic' installed.
Everyone has 'Rithmic for NinjaTrader Brokerage' installed.
Only older M/B license holders can see 'Rithmic'.

These Rithmic-based adapters are named separately and
make unique and separate connections, so the 'one connection
per adapter' limitation remains and is not broken.

In other words, this 'two adapter' solution works!

Why isn't this simple approach of resurrecting the
deprecated 'Rithmic' adapter ever discussed?

Why does NT mgmt shut this idea down?
Why has no one in support or mgmt ever adequately explained
why this simple solution is not a good one?

Turn on the old 'Rithmic' adapter!

It could be implemented in less than a day. All NT
has to do is re-enable 'Rithmic' as an entitlement.
Every user has it, but they are denied seeing it due
to restrictions NT imposes on their side.

Chelsea, I am continually aghast that you, and perhaps
everyone in support, keep ignoring this simplest of solutions,
almost as if you and everyone in support are being told to
steer the user community away from this 'two adapter' idea.

It's like you can't admit this idea of two separate Rithmic
based adapters, running simultaneously, even exists.

-=o=-

Furthermore, NT mgmt is stupid not to take advantage
of the revenue opportunity to resurrect the older
'Rithmic' adapter.

It's mind boggling how, in some specific things --
such as, mandatory password entry, inability to move
the user directory out of Documents folder, and refusal
to resurrect the old 'Rithmic' adapter -- in these 3 things,
the past and present senior NT mgmt corp come off as
supremely ignorant and incredibly out of touch.

NT may think these are simply my pet peeves, but the above
3 things all have real-world, very noticeable consequences
for all users. These are extreme super-sized hindrances.
They can and do affect many users, and they absolutely
do affect the enjoyment and usefulness of your product.

But, here's the extra appalling mind-blowing thing:
even when an item could bring in revenue, perhaps
a lot of revenue, NT most senior mgmt continue to show
tremendous stupidity and refuse to consider this 'two
adpater' idea.

In summary:
Allow use of 'Rithmic' and 'Rithmic for NinjaTrader Brokerage'
so that users can connect to two Rithmic-based prop firms
at the exact same time.

Furthermore, why not make it a feature? Why not add it to
the new Multi-Broker Addon? I mean, NT could advertise
this 'two adapter' feature as an interim solution for users
with accounts at two Rithmic-based prop firms -- and I
predict NT would increase their revenues!

Turn on the old 'Rithmic' adapter!

Chelsea, why can't you advocate for this idea?
You act like this simple solution doesn't even exist.
You always ignore the incredibly good possibilities
this idea brings to the user community (and to NT's
own revenues).

Chelsea, you never bring it up, or mention it, or talk about it.
Why is that? Is it forbidden? Have you been told to advocate
against this idea? Why can't NT support get behind this idea?

Please, no more excuses, help make it happen!

Turn on the old 'Rithmic' adapter!

Just my 2˘.

[backtester831]

The tradovate adapter also has problems with multiple tradovate connections at the same time. It doesn't happen right away, but try leaving NinjaTrader running for a full day from 6pm to 4pm the next day with 2 simultaneous tradovate connections, and you'll see them have a web socket error in the trace files and disconnect eventually. I think it has something to do with renewing tokens maybe.

[boomm]

Other platforms like QuantTower allows more than 1 rithmic connection, I don't understand why developers can't get with what's happening around futures trading and the demand for certain things. Maybe they don't care too much about making money on consumers purchasing NT license.

[backtester831]

Other platforms like QuantTower allows more than 1 rithmic connection, I don't understand why developers can't get with what's happening around futures trading and the demand for certain things. Maybe they don't care too much about making money on consumers purchasing NT license.

Not surprising given the change in 8.1, looks like it's moving towards NT brokerage, even the default installation setting without multi provider mode.

Probably a user that starts with 1 Rithmic account gets exposure to NT and possible upsell to NT self funded or additional addons. But someone with multiple Rithmic accounts is a power user with multiple prop firms, and likely not going to be giving NT anymore business anyway.