NT7 Release questions

[TraderEyal]

a) I stand corrected. On 20th May 2008 you have stated on the forum it is due end of 2008. So assuming that by end of 2008 you meant 1 day before New Year then yes we have only 9 months of delay instead of 12, but still counting..

b) Please contact NinjaTrader_Josh for logs and traces. Also, if I were to report every time the application hang or crashed I'd have to quit my trading career and start drawing a salary from NT. I'm not exaggerating, I often have to restart NT several times a day.

c) Mis-communication is still an issue - the latest being: 1. missed communication dates in July, 2. conflicting messages on project status as noted above. At the same time I'm getting weekly promotional write-ups from you on various partners and what not.

d) On-going neglect is still an issue - you are now 2 versions and 8 months behind on the IQFeed data client for example. NT7 when finally released will be beta and therefore you have an obligation to continue and maintain and update the current live version. That obviously does not mean new features, but it means making sure your software continues to work as it should.

e) I am happy to help with making sure NT7 does not suffer from the same issues 6.5 does. The only way I'm going to take part in that though is through having a version installed on my machine, loading my own workspace, connecting to my own feeds. Let me know if you're interested.

@TraderEyal:
a) Initially we somewhat "vaguely" announced first beta of NT7 for end of 2008 and then had to delay Q1 and Q2 of 2009. Although we accept your reasonable criticism on these delays and I don't follow your statement "NT7 is suffering from chronic delays of over a year". My math would tell me 9 months as of current.
b) You mentioned your setup would suffer from daily crashes. I'd like to learn more about it and potentially even make your setup a reference for our internal NT7 testing. As a first step: could you please provide some info on the nature of these crashes? Thanks in advance

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

I'll contact Josh in order to get a better understanding of your issues.

Please let us know as you feel able to provide workspaces etc. to test your setup with NT7 on our end. Thanks

[NinjaTrader_JoshP]

TraderEyal,

Do not recall working with you on anything recently so would not know what log and traces you are referring to. Please clarify. Thank you.

[TraderEyal]

Earlier this week. Ticket number:
201017.


Today it took half an hour to fill a chart with 5 days of 5min bars RTH half an hour before the open. The same amount of data requested from the exact same feed took 10 seconds on QuoteTracker. Half an hour of Loading Data.. this operation cannot be aborted.


Edit: My mistake, it was Jason, not Josh :-)

TraderEyal,

Do not recall working with you on anything recently so would not know what log and traces you are referring to. Please clarify. Thank you.

[djohnsonhot]

Nt 7.0

As I have posted elsewhere in more detail, I believe that the crashes and other stability issues are not just what we have read in the past days. I have indeed had the same issues. For example, today on my NT 6.5 monitor on a separate computer, and then the program froze.... system memory utilization IS NUMBER ONE and I would love to see Ray and the crew put resource improvement changes in place NOW and wait for the pretty stuff later.

This system resource issue is unreal. I have now resorted to trading live on ThinkorSwim's platform.

I often place my trades with stops and then move them from 8 ticks on the ES closer to my entry if my trade appears to have been a terrible entry....and NOT take the full hit. To have NT crash again like this is not something I can afford as a day trader. RAY, you need to listen to this suggestion. I also feel you are going to lose some future business (ME, for one) if this keeps happening. I am glad I am in Sim on NT and setting up my charts to display my settings.

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

Earlier this week. Ticket number:
201017.


Today it took half an hour to fill a chart with 5 days of 5min bars RTH half an hour before the open. The same amount of data requested from the exact same feed took 10 seconds on QuoteTracker. Half an hour of Loading Data.. this operation cannot be aborted.


Edit: My mistake, it was Jason, not Josh :-)

- on 201017: This particular issue you reported will be resolved with NT7. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- on "hanging" historical data requests: I would need your setup in order to isolate the cause of trouble and to see if NT7 would be any different.

[TraderEyal]

1. Well, that's a reasonable reply. I have no issue with that. It's sure better than the original reply I got after sending my logs which was: I have no idea what this problem is about, can't reproduce it here, if it happens again let me know. That made it seem like there's nothing wrong with your software, something isn't right on my side and there's nothing you can do about it.

I find it difficult to believe I'm the only one getting this kind of responses like I did initially.

2. I will open a separate thread for that.

3. While NT7 BETA is still being worked on, why is NT6.5 not being maintained? Yes I know you want to get NT7 out the door already, but the current version everyone of us uses daily has to be to kept up todate and in good working condition until it is scrapped. The same needs to happen when you plan for NT7.5 or NT16.

- on 201017: This particular issue you reported will be resolved with NT7. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- on "hanging" historical data requests: I would need your setup in order to isolate the cause of trouble and to see if NT7 would be any different.

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

On 1: I never have seen this particular issue and believe me I see quite a few.
On 2: Great
On 3: 6.5 is maintained. However we evaluate every issue to find the right balance between addressing critical issues and not introducing new risk to a version which thousands of people run no problem.

[arnaudbzh]

Hello,

in addition to memory enhancements, does NT7 will support "NVIDIA® CUDA™ parallel computing architecture"

Thanks, have a nice day
Arnaud

[NetTecture]

Hello,

in addition to memory enhancements, does NT7 will support "NVIDIA® CUDA™ parallel computing architecture"

Thanks, have a nice day
Arnaud

How you get they idea they would? There are a LOT of reasons NOT to do so:

* It will influence the programming model. Not saying it is bad per se, but you have to have a programming model then that supports that, which means compromises.
* It may be senseless. Unless doing extensive backtesting (and Ninja is particularly inefficient in that, as can be seen by the progress for NT7).... it may simply make no sense. Normal operations - you wont be CPU limited, so why do that?
* It limits the environment. Basically to CUDE capable computers.

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

>> does NT7 will support "NVIDIA® CUDA™ parallel computing architecture
Unfortunately not.

[arnaudbzh]

NT7 CPU Benchmarks

Hello,

in order to improve my workstation, I would like to know if NT7 has been
benchmarked with various CPUs.
As I work a lot with backtests, I would be very interrested.
For example what about Intel Core 2 Duo and a Core Quad or even better Core i7 ??
If NT7 has not been benchmarked, perhaps this new release has some similarity with
standart benchmarks like Mathematica, SuperPi, WinRar or Everest ??
Do you have an idea on this point ??

Thanks, have a nice day.
Arnaud

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

Unfortunately we wouldn't have such benchmarks nor would we be able to recommend a particular processor architecture. However some forum users ran benchmarks on their machines which might be of value for you: http://www.ninjatrader-support2.com/...ight=benchmark

[Mindset]

Comments to Ray and the team

Firstly - NT7 looks great and the images on the new enhancements page are really clear and helpful.
Secondly - I am glad you have realised that the communication "issue" was important. I am sure like most users it is better to be told asap that things are not going tickety boo than wait 3 months and then be told.
Third - the engineering problems you must be having are understandable and for sure I would like the product to be stable when released as all the beta testing in the world will never quite prepare you for real world release.

I think most users ( IMHO ) are just so keen to get hold of the new NT7 and the delays make users angry and disappointed.

My guess is Q1 2010 for public release.

[TraderEyal]

Looking forward to the development status update.