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    My take on NT7 (revised)

    After a week of intense trading, manual reading, video watching and exploration with NT7, here is my take on the current beta.

    I'm going to be adding to these pros and cons as I find stuff.


    PROS:

    Charts load more quickly
    Z-space has been introduced.
    Draw objects can be locked.
    Global draw objects, at last, (but only per instrument, not per timeframe)
    Proper crosshair pointer behavior.
    Snappier user experience all round.

    CONS:

    No undo. Not even one level.
    Horizontal draw objects (lines) still don't have the option to add labels.
    No "hide" object capability.
    Still no parallel channel drawing tool. [Edit: copy & paste an existing line is workaround]
    "Manage ATM" still the same illogical design it always was.
    If you get a crash and choose "No to all" for workspace save on quitting, it'll go ahead and... save them anyway.
    Still can't tab between fields in Indicator parameter windows.
    Still can't draw a vertical line that spans price chart and indicator panel.
    Indicators that reference other indicators can't be deleted, because nothing will tell us which other indicator it references.
    Fixed ratio charts can't be moved vertically. [Edit: answered below. Ctrl-click-drag on price ruler enables this]
    Chart trades can't be executed on a non-dominant panel of a multi-data series chart.
    Chart trader order lines do not show in a non-dominant panel of a multi-data series chart.
    Can't save indicator templates (only one default state). A 15min chart won't necessarily need the same indicator settings as a 1min chart.
    Only the color of the SIM mode of chart trader can be customized (it's the LIVE panel we want to be able to make red or whatever...)
    Individual drawing objects are not listed anywhere, so if you have any drawing object, like a fib, that has accidentally had both its anchors drawn to the same point... it's there for good (can't be selected) and ALL fibs have to be deleted.
    Can't tile, stack or otherwise arrange windows
    Can't zoom around a locked point in time. Only place zooming works as expected is if chart has been moved to right margin by clicking that stoopid arrow top right. But it can't be held there.
    Can't bring all charts to a common point in time.
    Candles can still disappear off the right of the chart, with no, optional "auto bounce back" functionality. (you have to remember to hit the End key)
    Cannot customize the color of the Ruler tool guidelines
    Still no horizontal "price line", only a marker in the price axis
    Hot keys, yes, but no ability to use one key to toggle states
    No ability to change a line to a ray, or a ray to an extended line.

    My opinion: Very disappointing.
    Last edited by 5iver; 05-13-2010, 02:35 PM.

    #2
    Hi,

    Actually Fixed ratio charts can be moved vertically!

    Ctrl-click on the price.

    Its not as intuitive as it should be but it works. I had that on my list of enhancements as well.

    Personally, I don't see parallel lines is such a big deal - its easy to copy and paste via the right mouse click... Well its easy to copy - not sure why there's no paste...

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      #3
      Actually Fixed ratio charts can be moved vertically!

      Ctrl-click on the price.

      Its not as intuitive as it should be but it works. I had that on my list of enhancements as well.

      Personally, I don't see parallel lines is such a big deal - its easy to copy and paste via the right mouse click... Well its easy to copy - not sure why there's no paste...
      Thanks for the Fixed chart answer. Now I know. Very useful.
      Parallel lines not a big deal at all, but it adds up with all the other "not big deals". My original wish list for NT7 was posted 13months ago and most of what's on my current gripe list is not, imo, asking for the moon.

      thanks for your reply.

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        #4
        Originally posted by 5iver View Post
        Thanks for the Fixed chart answer. Now I know. Very useful.
        Parallel lines not a big deal at all, but it adds up with all the other "not big deals". My original wish list for NT7 was posted 13months ago and most of what's on my current gripe list is not, imo, asking for the moon.

        thanks for your reply.
        Not that I disagree with your gripe list, but none of these things are nearly as important as getting NT 7 out the door working reliably and efficiently. The #1 problem with NT 6.5 reported by tons of people was inefficient code that caused charts to lag in heavy market conditions, actually showing data that was behind the market. Also, stability issues were a major problem. Personally I want to get NT7 out the door, working reliably and consuming less CPU resources than 6.5, and then work on this type of feature list. Right now 6.5 is almost unusable as a trading platform, so the sooner they can get NT7 to production quality code with some performance/stability improvements, the better... the rest can wait.

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          #5
          Agreed

          Originally posted by JS999 View Post
          Not that I disagree with your gripe list, but none of these things are nearly as important as getting NT 7 out the door working reliably and efficiently. The #1 problem with NT 6.5 reported by tons of people was inefficient code that caused charts to lag in heavy market conditions, actually showing data that was behind the market. Also, stability issues were a major problem. Personally I want to get NT7 out the door, working reliably and consuming less CPU resources than 6.5, and then work on this type of feature list. Right now 6.5 is almost unusable as a trading platform, so the sooner they can get NT7 to production quality code with some performance/stability improvements, the better... the rest can wait.

          I agree 100% - I did not need any new functionality - just for the problems in 6.5 to be fixed

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            #6
            No "hide" object capability.
            >> Correct however, one can set a plot (for indicators and Data Series) to color of transparent. I realize this is not as easy as a visible/invisible switch but it is a workaround.


            If you get a crash and choose "No to all" for workspace save on quitting, it'll go ahead and... save them anyway.
            >> The idea here is not to crash --> So hopefully this will not be an issue pending our ability to reduce the crash rate

            Indicators that reference other indicators can't be deleted, because nothing will tell us which other indicator it references.
            >> Can you please elaborate on this since I don't understand specifically what you can't do.


            Hot keys, yes, but no ability to use one key to toggle states
            >> What d you mean by this?
            RayNinjaTrader Customer Service

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              #7
              Totally agree. Hence the PROs list. I think it's fair to consider and discuss the whole. Shouldn't we be able to EXPECT the core data/trading functionality to be in place by now?

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                #8
                "Still no horizontal "price line", only a marker in the price axis"

                I use the attached zip for a horizontal line at current price on my TPO chart.

                For labels on horizontal lines you could probably make an indicator using the IObject draw stuff and make a parameter that assigns the label of a manually drawn line to it.

                There is a some stuff I would like to see too - plotting into future bars, choice of calendar days or trade days on daily charts (some price projections use calendar days, incl holidays), etc. Once the major things are ironed-out, I hope they get to them.
                Attached Files

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                  #9
                  Hot keys, yes, but no ability to use one key to toggle states
                  You can design your own hotkey to toggle.
                  I have done this in BigMikeTrading to toggle the execution markers through their states - but it is in the elite section so I can't give it to you I'm afraid.
                  Last edited by Mindset; 05-14-2010, 03:26 AM. Reason: spelling

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                    #10
                    Very nice resume. It seems as you're hoping they'll implement some features you're asking for. putting this as a "con" might be unfair. Your features sound reasonable but they've got their hands full as it is.

                    I'm still using 6.5. Haven't even installed 7. I was thinking maybe I should give it a try but now I'm not so sure.

                    Are the windows inside the workspace in 7.0? In 6.5 I have 13 windows on my desktop and I hate it (15 counting two doms). this is my biggest complaint, that and it freezes a lot when updating something - doesn't seem to be multi-threaded.

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                      #11
                      cunparis

                      Hi

                      You should use NT7 now - I have been using it for 6 months now and only had one major problem that was an early beta issue. It is much faster at loading and crashes - what are they?

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                        #12
                        I've found a relatively quick and easy way to draw clean custom channels and created a thread for it. I think it'll tide you over with that issue until development creates an actual channel tool.

                        http://www.ninjatrader.com/support/f...784#post203784

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